Speaker 1: Welcome to Getting Rich Together. I’m your host, Shama Bunton. This show was born from my own journey. Coming out of a divorce, I reached out to 50 women to talk to them about money.

95% of them did not want to go there. That’s when I realized we need spaces where wealth isn’t hidden in silence but shared in possibilities. Here, you’ll meet women from all backgrounds, trailblazers, risk takers, visionaries, each expanding what wealth can look like. This is your place to be inspired to discover new pathways and to remember that we rise by building wealth together. Getting Rich Together is a wealth catalyst production.

At Wealth Catalyst, we bring together education, networks, and great opportunities for women to build wealth and change the world. Now, on to today’s show. I am blessed today with the incredible presence of Biet Simkin, a renowned spiritual teacher, bestselling author, and the David Bowie of meditation. From our early days of New York City’s rock and roll scene and through deep personal loss and trauma, my darling Beette, you have forged such a unique path in this world dotted with healing, creativity, and greatness. I’m so excited to have you here today on the show, to not just talk about how you blend music and breath work and ancient practices to help everyone awaken on this planet, but for us to get to know you a little bit deeper, the little girl behind the magic, the unfolding of the future. Thank you so much for being here today. Thank you, Shama.

Thanks for having me. How incredible. I was so in awe of the first time we got a chance to connect together. There’s something deeply intuitive and grounding about being in your presence, and I feel such a gift to get a chance to interview you today and take us back to some places that I think are so important in this world, which are our beginnings, our roots, where it all came from. So, Beette, let’s go back.

Let’s go back to a young girl, someone between the ages of 8 and 12 years old. Where were you on this planet? What was life like around you? And what were some of the money stories you were picking up?

Speaker 2: You know, I am blessed to have had such a terrifyingly sad beginning. Blessed to have had that. And between the ages of 8 and 12, we’re really like the prime years of evidence that hell can be experienced on earth. My mom had just died of pancreatic cancer very suddenly. We were immigrants in America living in Queens. My father was not a normal person, so it wasn’t like she left a parent died and I was left with a parent. She died. She was more parental than him, although neither of them were extremely parental. And when she died, he was an awakened shaman, so that’s who raised me.

And so, I was being raised by an awakened shaman in abject poverty, roaches and mice throughout our tenement apartment in Queens. Just, you know, the worst views you could possibly imagine. I remember I used to look out the window and just think, I cannot believe that there’s a part of the world anywhere where this is the view that someone gets when they look out the window. I was already reading, like at the age of nine, I was reading Carl Gustav Jung, Sigmund Freud, I was reading Eric Fröhm at the age of nine. And so, really well educated writing music I was already doing and meditating deeply, studying breath work, transcendental meditation, somatic practices with my father, doing fourth-way work. My father was a fourth-way master. And my father was really into poverty. He was from that school of awakening where he just really focused on how much love mattered. And so, he taught me what love was and he taught me the value of love and truth and dignity and grace and magic and the value of transcendental states and the value of wit, humor, intelligence. Those things were mastered and they were considered the money in the world.

That’s real money. And anything else was put pood upon. Now, I don’t think my dad was aware of this. It was a blind spot for him. I think if you had asked him, he would have said, I love money.

In fact, I can already hear his voice. Oh, I love money. But what I was being taught was money is to be ashamed of, money causes problems. People who have more money, you know, he had clients who had more money and they all had all kinds of problems. And so, he just would attribute those problems to their money somehow.

He made that correlation. And I bought into that, you know, at that age. I was convinced that money was bad. It was dangerous. And I was lucky somehow to be living in these very, very unsafe circumstances without any security whatsoever. No health insurance, no life insurance, public school, crying every day, poverty.

Speaker 1: I was going to ask, you know, how did things show up for you at school? I mean, obviously, what you’re reading, what you’re being exposed to, your consciousness and awareness at such a young age, but yet still having to sort of go through these very human things of being a child and having to go through the human experience of, oh, these are the other students are, you know, reconciling things when you have so much awareness of everything.

How were those, let’s call them high school, you know, junior high years for you, was there a need or a desire to pick up a part-time job? How did you start to absorb what you were seeing around you and your awareness, understanding of your situation?

Speaker 2: I knew I didn’t fit in. And so, like, I felt very lonely in that. And I was often picked on, I’d been punched or beat down. People targeted me for being different. I got made fun of a lot. People with very heavy street type accents would be like, why are you trying to be so intelligent?

You know, and then punch me in the face, that kind of thing. And so, by the time I was 14, I really came into my own. I didn’t have this, you strike me in the short time that we’ve known each other as someone who has much more like level-headed concepts and like much more grounded ideas about reality, would even think to do a part-time job. That’s not the way my brain worked. From the way that I was raised, the idea of a part-time job or any job seemed crazy to me because I knew I was magic. I was like, what I have, this gift that I have with singing and this gift that I have with these transcendental states, are so incredibly valuable that anything that’s paying me $10, $12, $14 an hour is like a waste of my time.

I should just be sitting on my floor meditating and writing music because that’s the thing that’s going to get me out of this. And so, I focused on that. And my father did reverberate that to me. He said, look, you could go get a job. He’s like, but at the end of the day, no job is going to pay you the kind of money that you’re worth. You are extremely valuable on this planet, and you need to harness those skills. So, if you need to do yoga or you need to meditate, do whatever you need to do, harness those skills. He gave me this like unreasonable self-awareness of my value, but then just no ground, like nuts and bolts, like wake up and go do something. He was very anti that.

Speaker 1: So, we’re in high school. There’s this deep awareness of power, of magic, which is so, it’s so incredible because I feel like the awareness of magic, for most, I would say, comes so much later in life, right? It’s like after exhausting the things, frameworks that don’t work. And eventually, there’s like, oh, let me tap into this thing that I feel and can experience and set this young age. You’re sitting with all this wisdom. So, how did you then, you know, graduation time comes from high school? You’re deeply convicted with who you are in this world, with your gifts in this world. What comes next in your young adult life? How do you start to navigate life?

Speaker 2: In high school, I started playing gigs. I formed a band and started playing gigs in New York City. And as a New Yorker, you know, I don’t know if you’ve interviewed some New Yorkers, but New York, it’ll grow you like fast. Like, I knew things. I didn’t know this until I was an adult.

It didn’t come to me as a hit of like, oh, I get it. Like, I learned how to live life on the streets of New York, which is like, there is no college that could possibly teach you those kinds of skills. And I just had street smarts, like the kind that you get when you’re running from someone with a chainsaw at two in the morning through the Lower East Side. Like, you just don’t learn that kind of stuff. So anyway, I got signed to Sony when I was 18 years old because I was scrappy and we had an amazing band. I remember my high school was like filled with people who, again, like I was always kind of an outsider, but I remember they were making fun of me and they were like, oh, B. Yats playing a show at CBGB’s like, let’s all go and just see her because she’s going to suck.

And we can like kind of laugh or something. I think that was their goal. And then they came to CBGB’s and were just so flabbergasted by how talented I was. And we’re like, okay, oops, not quite, you know, and it was just cool, you know, I got signed to Sony. And then it just kind of all went downhill from there before it went back up. But that was like the beginning was I got signed to Sony. It was like limousines and, you know, recording studios with like guns on the table and cigars and you know, bananas.

Speaker 1: Oh my God, you know, as you’re getting this early validation, right? So like everyone’s dream, you know, who’s a musician is to get get signed. And obviously, you’re quite young when this is all going down.

Aside from just like this year, oh my gosh, I can’t believe this is happening. The the contracts and sort of understanding implications of things like was there, was there anyone in your life who was explaining anything to you about what you were signing and how this all unfolded, navigate that specific period? And what was it that you began to sort of learn quickly or in hindsight about it?

Speaker 2: For me, I just had a ginormous ego as many people who have the level of access to magic. You said people come to this later. When someone comes to it as early as I did, it comes like the side effect of it is just an oversized ego. That’s the dark side, the shadow, I might say, of having that level of access to that level of confidence.

The shadow is that you’re wildly insecure secretly. You’re like, whoa. So I feel like I was like, I’ve arrived.

It’s all done. I had this Marilyn Monroe kind of like, behavior. No, I did not have anyone walking me through anything. I got lucky in a way because it all just went to shit. So it wasn’t like I lost anything. I didn’t lose rights in the way that Leonard Cohen was taken for a ride by his manager and lost all his money had to go on tour at the age of 70 or something. I did not have that. I just had a career that kind of quickly collapsed as the record industry collapsed. I got signed probably like the year that there was like the huge Napster lawsuit thing with Metallica and all that.

Speaker 1: This thing’s happening. Oh my God, this is amazing. I’m the best thing since sliced bread or I’m better than sliced bread. And then, oh shit, everything falls apart. Music industry is in disarray.

I think everyone listening is old enough to remember what has happened in the music industry and all these big sort of inflection points. How did you respond to that? And at that time when you would sign the contract where they, did you have advances was when you started starting to receive money in a new way that you hadn’t before? And how did you sort of think about the money you were receiving at that time?

Speaker 2: I sure did get advances plus like limousine rides anywhere I wanted and my vocal lessons paid for and a stipend. Like it was just so much money that time in the record industry that they just would throw around at absolutely nothing.

They were like, this person’s just doing a demo. Great, here’s 20 grand. No big deal. And I was coming from again, from complete poverty, learning lessons from this man who was like, all you need to do is meditate and the quantum field was like that. And so I was just like, it’s all going to work out. Anyway, it collapsed. I turned to drugs and alcohol. That was my way and sex.

I liked, I wasn’t like, I want to be very clear. I’ve never been, what is that word, when you’re promiscuous. I’m not promiscuous. I was just like someone who serially fell in love with the wrong person. I would be like, you seem totally wrong. Let’s date so that we could like break each other’s hearts.

And so that drinking, drinking lots of drinking, I didn’t turn to drugs until a couple of years in, but yeah, drinking and dating the wrong men, that was my way of dealing with reality.

Speaker 1: So this contract is over. You’re trying to get back on your feet. Sounds like you’re figuring things out. How did you absorb or think about living? Right? Was it, had you had saved any money from the money you had before? Was it like the universe, God’s going to take care of me? And how did you navigate this like, high, low, and then this crash and trying to be human and also navigate what the hell’s going on in my life?

Speaker 2: No, I didn’t save. I didn’t even understand that concept. I had a box with a thousand bucks in it in physical cash. And then I remember my house actually got burglarized and they didn’t find my cash because it was like hidden in a monopoly board game that I had hidden it in.

I was like, yeah, that’s right, bitches. Like you didn’t find my cash. Anyway, I decided to shave my head and travel across the country selling CDs to make money. And so I went by myself by Amtrak. I didn’t know how to drive because I’m like a tried and true New Yorker. And so I went across on Amtrak and sold CDs and had a guitar and played shows all over the country and fell in love by the time I got to San Francisco. And just my life was very like charmed in one aspect. Like I would go and fall in love with someone who happened to have a five story house in like the nicest part of San Francisco.

It’s like, whatever, you’re just going to live there. But at the same time, I had no money. And I remember having so much shame because people would pay for me forever. Now I’m a girl and we live in America where that is like standard in some way, but I still had so much shame for being someone who did not know how to earn. And I couldn’t even admit that I just drank over it. And eventually I discovered drugs. I came back to New York City and became a DJ, which DJ gigs, I mean, if you can call that a job, some people would often make fun of it and say, DJing is not really a job.

You just play music you like in a box. But yeah, I did that. And I would get like 50 to 100 bucks an hour and just do drugs and hang out and party for free. And that was my career for a period of time. I didn’t really see it as a job. I saw it as they’re paying me money to do the thing I was going to do anyway.

Speaker 1: I feel like there’s so much in there about allowing for things to come up and like being in a state of like, where am I? This feels good. Let’s try this. Like this kind of like fluidity of almost like this confidence that everything is going to work out. But without knowing everything’s going to work out and just sort of being in the moment, it’s like things are all happening.

And I’m not quite sure what’s going on. You have a lot of fun being a DJ. You are producing music, having a good time during these years. Are you still heavily in your practice?

Are you like embodying the lessons that your father had taught you as you’re sort of navigating this world of music and now being a DJ? How close together were those things or how disparate were they?

Speaker 2: Very much I was. And I was that weird bird. I would go to these after parties on massive amounts of cocaine right before I did massive amounts of heroin. And I would be that girl sitting in the corner of the party at 11 a.m. with like an A-list celebrity to my left and a model to my right and that whole New York City world and being like basically like Yoda, like sharing like these deep, deep mystical truths and having like a crew of people sitting around me and snorting cocaine with me and being like, she knows something. And then there was always the people too who really weren’t into what I was all about. They were really just super into the shallow simplicity of New York City party life. And even if they did get close, sometimes they would be like, she’s really like extra. You know, like she’s really extra. So there was people who got it or really were into it. And then there was people who were like, that’s a lot, like super not my vibe, you know?

Speaker 1: How long did that period of life last for you?

Speaker 2: It lasted a couple years. And then universe or source or quantum field, whatever, you know, your audience will most relate to, right? We’re all talking about the same thing. Some people call it Jesus, honestly. It’s just one energy that ties us all together. I think love is a good word to describe it. But that loving energy came in and really was beset to let me know that I was going in the wrong direction as it will, right? Our lives are very much being directed by a navigational system that we cannot see.

And that navigational system came in quite hard at 24. I had a near death experience. And then at 26, I got pregnant and had a baby. And I had to sober up for that experience. But sober, I was very dry, dry, meaning like I didn’t have a spiritual solution to my alcoholism at that time.

I just was like, I guess I’ll stop drinking because I’m pregnant kind of vibes. And then I had her perfectly healthy baby girl. Her name was Ula. And then four months later, she died of sudden infant death syndrome. And it was brought dead into my arms by the father. And after that, my best friend hung himself. And then my father died of a heart attack and my house burnt down.

I lived in the half of the house that hadn’t burnt down doing drugs. Like I was so destroyed after my baby’s death. And all these deaths, then my best friend hung himself, then my dad died. And it was those four special events that really led to me having the awakening that led to me becoming sober. I’ve been sober now for coming up on 17 years.

Speaker 1: So as the world around you is crumbling, and things can’t seem to get worse, but then they do. And you find yourself in this place of having nothing in front of you, yet everything in front of you. How did you sort of start to take the next steps? What did the future you that you’ve now come into, how did she start to form?

Speaker 2: She got sober. And then that sobriety was the seed that led to, as soon as I got sober, something weird happened. I had this thing that they call a pink cloud, which is this phase of life that follows getting sober, where you know exactly that you have been saved from something for a reason. And like everything becomes so clear. And for a year of time, I just saw very clearly that I had been saved from death, or from just like a lifetime of nothingness, so that I could become great.

And I could actually go make a difference in the world. And that feeling was so deeply, and then for the first four years of sobriety, I spent those years in poverty. Like I had no money, because I didn’t know how to make money. I knew how to make music.

I was still recording music. I had this, the principal comm mentality, like someday my principal comm, it wasn’t a man necessarily that was going to come and save me. But I just thought like a record company or a movie company or a celebrity or someone with a lot of power and push or pull was going to come and see how talented I was and was going to say, okay, we’re going to do something with this. It never occurred to me at that time anyway, that I was going to be the one that was going to have to do something with it. I was like, I just didn’t see myself as someone who was capable of doing things. I was someone who was so focused on making art and being a philosopher that it didn’t occur to me that I was going to also have to learn to be a businesswoman.

In fact, I mean, that idea just didn’t even occur. And then four years into sobriety, I had this a new awakening where my now husband then boyfriend turned to me and he said, look, he had done a bunch of work with his money stuff and had gone from earning like 60 grand a year to 200 grand a year, which for him was a lot of money at the time. And he was very proud. And I didn’t know anything about money. I was making, I didn’t know about how much I was making because I was living in such deep vagueness and such commitment to my vagueness. Shame and vagueness were like my religion when it came to money. Like I was like, I’m just going to bow at the altar of shame and being vague. That’s where I’m going to live. And he turned to me one day and he said, well, let’s just look at your numbers.

Maybe you will too. And so I ran out of the room crying as soon as he presented that to me. I thought if he knew how broke I really was, he would leave me. I just couldn’t even fathom that he would tolerate the level of unmanageability that I had around money.

And so I ran out of the room crying. And then of course, I turned to a transformative experience around money. I learned spreadsheets. I read every book that I could about money.

I read Rich Dad, Poor Dad, and all the money books, Busting Loose from the Money Game, Secrets of a Millionaire Mindset, Earn What You Deserve, How to Get Out of Debt and Live Prosperous. And I started meticulously tracking my numbers, which for me was like so opposite action. And I saw within 90 days that I was earning $1,000 a month living in New York City. A thousand a month, I was doing random odd jobs for 20 bucks an hour at the time. I was making $12,000 a year.

I mean, that’s like way below the poverty line. And my husband was paying a little bit more rent, but my rent was $400 a month at the time. And we were living in like Long Island City or something. Anyway, we moved to Williamsburg.

Our rent went up. And I had this big surrender. And I remember I manifested this business coach who like was working with me for free.

And he was like, well, why don’t you just do this thing? You’re so good with meditation. Like, trust yourself.

Just go do it. And so I did, I launched this business where I had this vision that I was meant to fuse art galleries in New York with all the work that I’ve done with meditation. So I created a meditation sequence and I started bringing it to art galleries. And it took off. It went so well that within a month, I went from having like four people in a circle to like a hundred people in a circle. And I was written up in Forbes and L and Vogue and flown to Hawaii and like flown all over the globe to speak and this is before I even had a book deal and I went and I remember right before this happened my husband turned to me at the beginning when I was earning that thousand bucks a month and barely knowing what to do he said why don’t you just go get a job at Starbucks or something babe like you know you can do anything and I was like no babe you don’t know me you don’t know me like I’m never gonna work a job at Starbucks not to hate on anyone who works at Starbucks so excited for anyone who is that high functioning I’m not I’m like a weird bird and so but I went from earning a thousand bucks a month and then I went from that to earning a hundred and seventy thousand dollars a year within a year and then had my first baby since you know sobriety her name is cash I named her cash because I thought might as well like bring in some more money and so then she that’s not why I named her cash I just like that idea anyway she was born and as soon as she was born I was making 170k a year and I was like this is not gonna motherfucking cut it and I instantly within the time that she was born I stopped breastfeeding I went back to work two months later and I tripled my income and then for a while was earning whatever that was like 400k a year and then I was like this isn’t enough and then during COVID had another spiritual awakening and that led to me earning a million dollars a year and let me just be super clear in this time I did it completely my way and I never learned business I never learned strategies I never did online marketing I never had all the things that my business friends suggested maybe you should do Marie Forleo’s da da da and maybe you should start an online funnel or maybe you should do this all the things that people I saw who had level headed brains do around and work their buns off to earn whatever I was like a no to I would literally start crying whenever my business friends would suggest these things I’d be like I don’t think that’s for me I just don’t think so like I really think my destiny is to be the new Ramdas I just I’m just gonna hold out for that because I know who I am yeah so that went on for four years I was earning that for four years and that kind of brings us to

Speaker 1: today so this magical business coach gives you the nudge and it was like hey this can happen and then there’s something that happens between the great idea and then the thought turning into the thing and those are sort of the the inspired actions you took right putting yourself out there in a way you had to create a price for these things and you had to sort of start to think about what does this look like did you ever think about was it like how are they gonna value this like this is what I think the price should be as someone who’s likely not doing a competitive matrix on other companies that are like doing these different things how did you start to navigate putting a price tag on something that you had sort of had your whole life right and now you were gonna really stand for this and turn this into something that would then end up making you lots of capital right but how did you start to think about pricing and putting yourself out there

Speaker 2: I look to the greats like I look to statements made by Picasso I remember there was a story that he was at a dinner party with a woman she turned to him and said hey would you draw me a little drawing on this napkin do you know this story and he goes oh sure and so he draws her a drawing on the napkin she says oh thank you and then begins to put it into her purse and he says oh you can’t take that with you unless you want to give me 60 grand and she’s like 60 grand it’s a napkin and he’s like I’m Picasso I just drew on that napkin if it was just a napkin I’m sure it could be priced at whatever you think a napkin should be priced at but I just scribbled on it therefore it’s worth 60k because I said so and he kind of she felt embarrassed and he took it back and that was the end of the exchange but I felt very much like I am that to the planet and so I can say whatever I want to say and I would get into these phone calls with prospective clients and explain to them who I was and back then too I didn’t know the marketing strategy of like make it about them and make them feel like they’re gonna get something all I knew was I have a gift you’d be lucky to be in my presence because anyone who’s been in my presence as a friend or an acquaintance before I used to charge for this stuff their lives transform and so I’m like look you want to actually have access to this whatever the fuck this portal is like I am the bridge between this world and the world that you cannot see so if you want to spend time in that world I got the answer and I think people were also inspired by my story that I had come from such adversity and was living this very prestigious fancy it looks very good on Instagram type of life like I think nobody would look at me looking at my Instagram and think wow that’s person who probably was on food stamps in Medicaid 11 years ago

Speaker 1: pause for a second if you’re not already on the wealth catalyst sub stack you are missing out over 20,000 people have subscribed and they are diving into stories strategies and money expanders you won’t find anywhere else join us today and keep fueling your wealth journey check out the link in the show notes now back to the show now nobody would get that impression okay so claiming your price and really doubling is such a beautiful story like really doubling down on yourself or tripling down quadrupling down on you and this inherent knowingness and it almost feels like the thing that so many people have a deeper knowingness but are too scared to like lean into it even a little bit and you’re like I’m leaning into my knowingness like 120% like more than all the way and it sounds like the universe is responding in kind right so things were sort of shifting how did things start to change around you so obviously you know going from 12,000 a year to a 170,000 a year is substantial material change right for you for your family now your household income has almost doubled and then continues to increase how did you even think about as your capital your money was growing like did were there any old stories that would pop up of what to do with the money or were you sort of intuitively guided by how to like how to treat your assets like money was coming in but where did it go

Speaker 2: well the fun thing here is that I really made a lot of mistakes and I don’t see them as mistakes because I don’t believe God makes mistakes so what I call God I so I’m grateful that I did all the things I did but I because I had this deep faith and I’ve always known that I’m here to do big big stuff to me a million dollars a year was like this is obviously not what God put me on this planet to make and so it’s going to transform from one million to eight to 20 very quickly and so all I need to do is go buy beautiful clothes enjoy five-star hotels travel the world eat delicious food move to a beautiful house I was so irresponsible with that money by anybody’s standards who actually understands how money works like you have to invest I did invest it in a way toward growing the way that my business looked like I feel like I did understand that from a marketing standpoint I was like I’m sure my fans are going to enjoy me going to this five-star hotel because that shows them that I’m worthy of whatever my rates are so I understood the marketing ideas but I didn’t understand like you should take 20% of this and put it away here and you should put 10% and this and tithe and you should find someone who’s going to be like a money I was even I had fears around people who were going to try to put me in a box because I was like clearly my crazy thinking is what leads to buco dollars so I’m going to lean more into crazy thinking and so what I did was I went a little too far into crazy thinking and a little out of like grounded decision making luckily for me I’m married to a man who’s very very grounded and so he was just like yet this is crazy like you should be more grounded with this money and we should make them and so he did push me in ways to save and we were able to save quite a bit of money but other than that I hadn’t evolved past that point and so that was like the big turning point was a year ago when I had this big awakening like oh I’m going to need to learn some things about business and I’m going to need to actually study how growing money works and you know there’s this feeling I believe when we’re willing to do something the universe only makes us do like 20% of it right so we have this feeling like oh my god it’s going to be so overwhelming what am I going to do get an MBA I’m 46 years old that’s crazy and it’s not as bad as we think it’s going to be universe is asking us to shift it’s really just asking us to shift the way we see reality it’s asking us to say are you willing to be wrong are you willing to learn new skills like me learning how to do spreadsheets 11 years ago look what it led to a million bucks a year me laying poolside and guiding people through the quantum field like who the fuck would have guessed that right some spreadsheets could but these grounded tools such as spreadsheets can actually be instruments of god and today actually what I teach in my work is that sales and marketing strategy and messaging these types of things are a tenet of spiritual awakening and if you do not know how to sell on this planet you will not get your inner perfect vision your inner perfect gift that source planted inside you to enough people and to make the impact that you actually came here to make someone like Edison someone like Benjamin Franklin these people who made these huge shifts in our society like the reason we have electricity they knew how to sell they believed in themselves they were sold on themselves and I feel like that’s something that I’m bringing into my spiritual teachings and actually one last thing I’ll say is up until recently I was very afraid to admit that I taught people about money because I felt like oh that’s for like charlatans on the internet who are like join my money mastermind and you’ll learn how to feel your nervous system till you blah blah and I’m just like oh my god I don’t want to be one of those people but at the end of the day people would often come to me and say how do you make the kind of money you make doing what you do which is so radically outside the box and so I was like wait people are looking to learn this so why don’t I admit that I am teaching this

Speaker 1: publicly that is so incredible what landed with me is just the importance of being able to not only understand one’s own gifts and like purpose on this planet the idea that sales is almost our birthright of claiming and owning standing into this thing that we know we’re here to do and if we can’t communicate that to others in a way that they can hear it then our gifts really get lost I have this firm conviction that we are all creators and if we’re not creating and even people who work in corporate jobs if they stop creating at work and no one sees it right and they’re not able to speak about it then they quit their job and they’re looking for other people to sort of create the right conditions for them to be able to be creative or to be able to be heard and be able to be seen and what they accomplish and do and you know it makes me think of not just how important sales is for the entrepreneur but also sales for everybody you know and and for being able to to be able to claim and own and and you know not everyone’s meant to hear everything but my gosh like there are there is a way to get our perspectives across and so understanding people I think is also important okay so today you are here claiming this incredible future that is rapidly unfolding for you and like things are percolating and there’s something that’s clear in my mind which is when you decide you receive and so there’s like all right this isn’t cutting it it’s time for something else and the next thing unfolds I’m curious in planting the seeds and starting to take your next shifts what do these coming months and years start to map out for you what are the details what’s the scaffolding does it all feel rested and settled are there things that you’re holding open to see how they turn out where do you stand on how you see things now and unfolding in the future

Speaker 2: I’m very clear you know I have three separate business plans that for the tenets of what I’m bringing to the world around guiding people with this money stuff and with around transforming the ideas that people hold around spirituality and sales like that whole thing which by the way I’ve changed the name because I’m working out the name right now but I started by calling it rock bottom because I saw this beautiful picture of two men speaking and one man turned to the other man he said what’s your birthstone and the other man said oh my birthstone is rock bottom and I thought that is the most beautiful thing I’ve ever heard if everyone approached every day with that sentiment imagine the kind of money they would earn imagine the kind of impact they would make imagine the kind of love and community and creativity they could muster if they understood that level of humility is necessary on a daily basis you need to be at zero and so I named it that but of course I’m just attracting people who are broke and who are like I just don’t know what to do and it’s like that’s not where my genius is really serves like I am going of course I was served when I had nothing I found Neil Donald Walsh’s book you know the guy who wrote conversations with God I found it on the street for one dollar when I was 18 years old but the point is is that I do believe that there’s no place on earth no amount of poverty that you could be in where the message won’t get to you if it is meant to get to you so I’m not worried about people who are actually at rock bottom I’m confident my work will reach them it’s just that in terms of me having the impact that I want to make I have a vision and I have a way that I like the shit to look you know I was doing New York events everybody was dressed in clothes they bought at Barney’s when that was still a thing that’s the kind of vibe I’m into and I think there is a shame around that that I’m overcoming to where it’s like that’s okay that I like wearing diamonds that’s okay that I like my events to be in five-star hotels that’s okay honey that’s okay like you can relax because God made you the way God made you for a reason and that’s something that I’ve been like really settling into as I move into this next trinity where I am bringing these three things into the world

Speaker 1: it’s almost like you were given the taste buds in such a way where you were supposed to taste these things if you were not designed to have preferences in particular ways and they would simply be different right and then directed in the other ways my husband and I often talk about our food palates and just how subtle and delicious and and the minutiae of we have 12 different kinds of salt by the way so like you know it goes on that level but our taste and preferences are not to be boxed in or ignored or to your point around shame they’re really to be like honored right it’s like a deep sort of honoring of the way in which we are and not the thing we’re trying to be but actually acknowledging the thing that is who we who we are on this planet and so okay things are starting to unfold you are also a mom you are also your business woman you’re also life certainly your home today is different than the home you grew up in right like life is different how are you guys thinking and about communication at home around things like money and spirituality right like there’s a balance of things so what does it look like at home around this blend of not only the things that which we’ve been raised in which are always with us but also now the fact that your life is so different what’s it like

Speaker 2: it’s always about love with kids and being present and showing them we can I believe we teach as we are right so our children are going to emulate us more than anything else we think we can hand down lessons we can’t really I think they’re emulating us they’re learning by copying in a way and so I copied my father and I followed him into the footsteps of poverty in that way I also followed him into the footsteps of radical confidence crazy philosophical understandings that most people do not ever harness in this life I followed him I just followed and followed it but then the awaken we have our own awakenings and I have to trust that my children are going to have their own awakenings and it’s going to happen in a way that I can’t even imagine like they’ve been imbued with a seed of oppositeness to whatever it is I’m bringing to certain aspects they might be like a super yes to my Gwyneth Paltrow levels of like fancy ass shit they might be a yes to that or they might reject it and they might say I’m much more humble and I prefer the humble life and they may move to the sticks and you use their money in a different way that’s up to that that’s up to that’s between them and their higher power once they get to a place where choices are being made but I do trust that I’m giving them the truth and I’m working tirelessly to make sure that I’m not full of shit myself that’s the biggest thing that I can do because as soon as I’m lying it’s like I’m covering up what’s true with lies too and also just to say because you said it looks like I make a decision and then just shit just happens it’s not so simple and for anyone who’s listening who was actually looking to have these kinds of 10x financial windfalls they come from internal awakenings they come from me saying hey you know what maybe I really don’t want to gossip anymore maybe I just don’t and then I give up gossiping I don’t talk about it I don’t philosophize about it I literally just stop and then a voice says oh maybe I shouldn’t overeat so that I’m 10 pounds heavy and I feel insecure in my body and I just stop that’s the kind of things that you think aren’t related to your money but they are or like I used to hold women in this box where like I would be like I’m gonna hang out with people who are less than me because that’s where I feel safe and so when I’m around women who are equal to me or higher I’m gonna pretend I’m perfect in those environments because I don’t want them to know that I have flaws so one of the great changes I made in this last year was I’m gonna call up every impressive like psychotically impressive friend that I have and just open up and share my dirtiest like gross underwear with them and lo and behold as it turns out these women love me more than they ever did when I was pretending to be perfect and I feel loved by women so these are the kinds of changes that need to happen if you’re looking to have your bank account grow because they are their interconnected

Speaker 1: beautifully said as you sort of turn to these ideas around legacy and the future and the eventual transition from the planet and looking back on this like incredible life that you’ve been leaving breadcrumbs for everybody to follow what does that look like to you what does this big body of work feeling to you and how would you sort of look back and reflect let’s say at a young age of 103

Speaker 2: you’re saying when I’m 103 I’m gonna look back and what is the breadcrumbs that I left for yeah what’s the

Speaker 1: legacy like what is the what are the levels of satisfaction that you’re hoping to see and in what ways on this world

Speaker 2: I think in the same way that all great people do my duty and what I will have accomplished at 103 looking back is being able to really love myself and love what I call God publicly and without apology that’s what the great people do and then we give people permission to do that themselves that’s beautiful

Speaker 1: I have two final questions the first is around the fun things about money it’s like money brings us so much so many other things like stability and we think about savings and shame or the thing and whatever but it’s also really fun and there are so many great ways that we can spend a little or a lot but in ways that bring us massive amounts of joy yet recently what have been your most favorite ways to spend your money

Speaker 2: oh my god that’s such a hard question I just I have I think that I’m gonna answer it not with a specific answer in terms of a thing but I would say that they say that we have money blueprints and for me my money blueprint is pleasure and fun and so like that’s all I care about period you said that stuff about security and safety and I was like that sounds like my husband and his blueprint I don’t even think about that stuff because I truly don’t even believe in security I don’t see how I could be anymore or less secure than I am right now like I don’t it’s just not the way my brain works but I’m like but I could love me a massage right now well I’m the 100 secure but I’m going to the spa

Speaker 1: and then my final question is you are up to big shit and you are prolific your message just resonates with hundreds of thousands of people it’s so incredible to see see the world in which you’ve created so far how can we the women who are listening to the show how can we light a torch for you how can we evangelize you how can we support you what are you calling in right now and what can we do

Speaker 2: well I’m definitely calling in changing the lives of brilliant strong women so if you feel like my message has a kernel of truth for you and you’re listening please come join my mission join and experience what it’s like to be inside of this energy because my energy is expansive and in terms of just anything that helps get the word out about what it is that I’ve created anything that helps that is really really

Speaker 1: welcome amazing it’s a blessing to have you here today yeah thank you for being so generous with your time your spirit your vision thank you thank you thanks for tuning into this episode of getting rich together my hope is that you leave every episode feeling more inspired more powerful and more connected until next time remember you have everything it takes to create wealth on your terms